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Problems with CakePHP - follow-up

Some people have responded including the Datepicker fame Marc Grabanski. So, this follow-up...

First of all, I was not ranting nor complaining; I've just blogged/documented my experience.

The common problem most of the people pointed out are that it scales for addons.mozilla.com. Those who have accessed their source code can understand that they've done lot of things and also the site is not database-intensive. You should really create a real database-intensive website to understand what I mean.

The other point that been pointed out is about open source and community. Lot of people may not be knowing that it's 2 people pushing it and don't want others to be credited. The generic model or dynamic model idea was originally been from grigri and Marcel. It's hard to be called as open source as only few and sycophants are driving it's direction (I'm not talking about svn access)

So, here are my humble checklist before you start shouting at me

  • Did you read and understand my post?

  • Can you code or at least read PHP? -- This is very important. My post is not indented for some naive people who want to create software in 2mins without really understanding the programming languages and tools.

  • Have you looked at the framework's source?

  • Have you tried to profile the code?

  • Have you witnessed the xdebug crashing due to deeper cyclic chains when you profile?

  • Have you created any application where you have to replace regexp calls to increase speed?

  • Have you optimized the DB and tried to scale a database-intensive site?

  • Have you referred the frequent discussion page? (It was originally created by me and I have contributed to the most of it) -- You'll hit that page only when you create webpage and get into problems. I have a strong opinion that some sycophants and Evangelist aren't using CakePHP at all. (Evangelist is always trying to sell his "intellects" with philosophical/unscientific remarks and bootlicking some naive people whom intern want networking. Note, this is not a flame, but my strong opinion)

  • Have you read codes of cakebaker, ad7six, grigri, franky, baz...? Do you think, they have a better fork with them?

  • Have you removed some/many automagic things? or Have you used it just for dispatching?

  • Have you checked source of Akelos, Solar, CI or fase?

  • Finally, have you read Rasmus's Simple is Hard?



If you answer "Yes" to most of the above list, you may be with me.

And, at this moment, like I mentioned, the state of my mind is that, the need for the contemporary world is to have a better toolkit, which I believe could be developed with good readability, coding standards/practices, scalability and simplicity.

Update (2008-09-06): My apologies for Chris Hartjes, who found the post to be personal attack on him. I understand that I could have used better wordings.

Comments

Chris Hartjes said…
"Evangelist is always trying to sell his "intellects" with philosophical/unscientific remarks and bootlicking some naive people whom intern want networking. Note, this is not a flame, but my strong opinion"

Ouch.

If that's not a personal attack on me, I don't know what is.

For the record:

* I use CakePHP for all but one of my current PHP projects (I inherited a PHP project started with Code Igniter)
* I don't think I have anything to gain by "bootlicking" people in my blog posts
* I agree that there are parts of CakePHP that need improvement
* Rasmus' "Simple is Hard" presentation is awesome, but "Hello World" comparisons of frameworks are irrelvant
* Other people's egos have gotten in the way of making positive contributions to CakePHP, which is sad but understandable
* I'm interested in YOUR thoughts on how to make CakePHP a better toolkit, short of a complete rewrite
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